was no question, ever, that delegate votes won in a primary wouldn't be cast as allocated by state law. >> let me stop you here. you, specifically say "primary." you believe it's different for caucus states? >> well, in a caucus situation, the people are actually elected as delegates, in some way, under state party rules. so it really wasn't an issue with respect to caucus states, because caucus and convention states, if there's no primary involved, the delegates that are elected get to vote the way they want, and candidates run people for delegates and those delegates win. the issue, however, was settled in the tampa convention, and the idea that candidates could disavow and remove dually elected delegates from the states was pulled out at the last minute, so that's not one of the points at issue, currently, in matters that relate to the republican rules. i think the real issue is, will the republican party remove the power grabs, which ben ginsburg, who you mentioned, oversaw in the convention rules committee, and i'm submitting a motion to repeal all those power grabs that can be re